The Creevey Papers
        Thomas Creevey to Elizabeth Ord, 6 November 1820
        
        
          
        
        
          
        
       
      
      
      
      
     
     
    
     “House of Lords, 6th Nov., 2 o’clock. 
    
     “. . . Lord
                                        Lansdowne finished his speech in the very first rate style . . .
                                    since then the speakers against the Bill have been the Duke of Somerset, Lords Enniskillen, Howard of
                                        Effingham, de Clifford,
                                        Grantham, Stafford and Calthorpe. The
                                    speakers for the Bill have been the Dukes of Athol and Northumberland, and Lord
                                        Grenville is now speaking on the same side; but, thank God, he
                                    comes too late. . . . Old Stafford uttered an opinion that
                                    is worth ten votes at least in the H. of Commons. He made no doubt of the Bill
                                    being lost in the H. of Commons, and that then there was an end of the
                                    Constitution. It never can come to the H. of Commons, by God! That little chap
                                        de Clifford is an agreeable surprise. He is such a
                                    cursed Queen-hater that we always calculated upon his being for the Bill. We had a most agreeable dinner yesterday at
                                        Brooks’s—Fitzwilliam,
                                        Grey, Cowper, Norfolk, Jersey, Thanet, Albemarle—and, in short, 17 of us. Grey
                                    was all 
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![]() good humour and gentleness, and I had
                                    great pleasure in petting him—abusing him at the same time for all his
                                    palaver with Liverpool and Eldon, particularly the latter. . . . If you
                                    could see little Barny* with me you would say it was
                                    almost too much. Every day at the rising of the House he comes regularly to ask
                                    me to let him walk up with me, and so we do. At other times he is equally in
                                    pursuit of me. He wants me very much to let him take me a little tour with him
                                    to shew me Arundel, &c., &c. He wants me, too, to dine with him at
                                    Dowr. ‘July’s’ to-day, but I shall do no such thing. I dine
                                    at Ferguson’s.
 good humour and gentleness, and I had
                                    great pleasure in petting him—abusing him at the same time for all his
                                    palaver with Liverpool and Eldon, particularly the latter. . . . If you
                                    could see little Barny* with me you would say it was
                                    almost too much. Every day at the rising of the House he comes regularly to ask
                                    me to let him walk up with me, and so we do. At other times he is equally in
                                    pursuit of me. He wants me very much to let him take me a little tour with him
                                    to shew me Arundel, &c., &c. He wants me, too, to dine with him at
                                    Dowr. ‘July’s’ to-day, but I shall do no such thing. I dine
                                    at Ferguson’s. 
     “Brooks’s, 5 o’clock. 
    
     “All is over—that is with the 2nd
                                    reading—123 for the Bill and 95 against it—leaving a majority for
                                    the Bill of 28 only. This is fatal. Eleven Bishops voted for it, and the
                                        Archbishop of York† alone
                                    against it. I am delighted the young Duke of
                                        Richmond‡ voted against it. The other curious persons on
                                    the same side were Lords Bath, Mansfield, Bagot, Plymouth, Amherst, Delawar, Dartmouth,
                                        Enniskillen, Egremont, Audley, &c.,
                                    &c. . . .” 
    
    James Abercromby, first baron Dunfermline  (1776-1858)  
                  The son of Lt.-Gen Sir Ralph Abercromby; he was MP for Midhurst (1807), Calne (1812-30)
                        and Edinburgh (1832), judge-advocate general (1827) and speaker of the House of Commons
                        (1835-39); he was raised to the peerage in 1839.
               
 
    William Pitt Amherst, first earl Amherst  (1773-1857)  
                  The nephew and heir of Jeffrey Amherst, first Baron Amherst; educated at Westminster and
                        Christ Church, Oxford, he was envoy to Peking (1816-17), governor-general of India
                        (1823-28), created earl of Amherst in 1826.
               
 
    William Bagot, second baron Bagot  (1773-1856)  
                  The son of William, first Baron Bagot (d. 1798); he was educated at Westminster and
                        Christ Church, Oxford; he was an antiquary who published 
Memorials of the
                            Bagot Family (1824).
               
 
    
    
    Sir Ronald Craufurd Ferguson  (1773-1841)  
                  Scottish officer who served in India and fought with a Highland brigade; he was MP for
                        Dysart (1806-30) and Nottingham (1830-41).
               
 
    
    William Wentworth Fitzwilliam, second earl Fitzwilliam  (1748-1833)  
                  The nephew of the Marquis of Rockingham and lifelong friend of Charles James Fox and Lord
                        Carlisle; he was president of the Council (1806-07) and lieutenant of the West Riding from
                        1798 to 1819 when he was dismissed for his censure of the Peterloo massacre.
               
 
    George Gough-Calthorpe, third baron Calthorpe  (1787-1851)  
                  The son of the first baron; he was educated at Harrow where he was a contemporary of
                        Byron, and St. John's College, Cambridge; he succeeded his brother in the title in
                        1807.
               
 
    George Granville Leveson- Gower, first duke of Sutherland  (1758-1833)  
                  The son of the first marquess of Stafford (d. 1803); he was one of the wealthiest men in
                        Britain with an annual income of £200,000; his program for Scottish clearances and
                        resettlement was widely unpopular. He was created duke in 1833.
               
 
    William Wyndham Grenville, baron Grenville  (1759-1834)  
                  Educated at Eton and Christ Church, Oxford, he was a moderate Whig MP, foreign secretary
                        (1791-1801), and leader and first lord of the treasury in the “All the Talents” ministry
                        (1806-1807). He was chancellor of Oxford University (1810).
               
 
    Charles Grey, second earl Grey  (1764-1845)  
                  Whig statesman and lover of the Duchess of Devonshire; the second son of the first earl
                        (d. 1807), he was prime minister (1831-34).
               
 
    
    Edward Venables-Vernon Harcourt, archbishop of York  (1757-1847)  
                  The son of George Venables-Vernon, first Baron Vernon, educated at Westminster and
                        All-Souls College, Oxford; he was prebendary of Gloucester (1785-91), bishop of Carlisle
                        (1791-1807), and archbishop of York (1807-47).
               
 
    Bernard Edward Howard, twelfth duke of Norfolk  (1765-1842)  
                  Educated at the English College at Douai, in 1815 he succeeded his third cousin, Charles
                        Howard, eleventh duke (d. 1815), and took his seat in Parliament after passage of the Roman
                        Catholic Relief Bill of 1829.
               
 
    
    
    
    
    
    
    John Murray, fourth duke of Atholl  (1755-1830)  
                  Son of the third duke (d. 1774); he was a Scottish representative peer (1780-86),
                        Governor-in-Chief of the Isle of Man (1793), and Lord-Lieutenant of Perthshire
                        (1794-1830).
               
 
    Hugh Percy, third duke of Northumberland  (1785-1847)  
                  The son of the second duke (d. 1817), he was educated at Eton and St John's College,
                        Cambridge, and before succeeding to the title was a Tory MP for Buckingham (1806),
                        Westminster (1806), Launceston (1806-07), and Northumberland (1807-12). He was
                        lord-lieutenant of Ireland (1829-30).
               
 
    John Scott, first earl of Eldon  (1751-1838)  
                  Lord chancellor (1801-27); he was legal counsel to the Prince of Wales and an active
                        opponent of the Reform Bill.
               
 
    Edward Adolphus Seymour, eleventh duke of Somerset  (1775-1855)  
                  The son of the tenth duke (d. 1793), educated at Eton and Christ Church, Oxford he was an
                        accomplished scholar elected to the Royal Society in 1797, the Society of Antiquaries in
                        1816, and the Linnean Society in 1820. From 1801 to 1838 was president of the Royal
                        Literary Fund.
               
 
    
    
    Thomas Thynne, second marquess of Bath  (1765-1837)  
                  The son of the first marquess (d. 1796); he was educated at Winchester and St. John's
                        College, Cambridge, and was Tory MP for Weobley (1786-90) and Bath (1790-96).
               
 
    
    
    
    
    George O'Brien Wyndham, third earl of Egremont  (1752-1837)  
                  Of Petworth; educated at Westminster School, he was an art collector and patron of J. M.
                        W. Turner, a lover of Elizabeth, Viscountess Melbourne, and the father of four children by
                        Elizabeth Fox. He is thought to have fathered several of Lady Melbourne's children also,
                        among them the prime minister William Lamb.